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What’s your wonderland like? If I can ask

There's a lot...we've had it for three years, so it's slowly grown into a super large area.

10:07 PM

I can explain it all in full, or at least, try to, or I could explain some points of interest, whichever you'd prefer.

I mean im happy to hear in full if you want to share

Sure thing!

The first thing we ever built was a small cottage (where Ben, Seth, Mason, and handful of others live.) It's on the edge of a forest and a large grassy area. Directly outside the cottage is a smaller purple house, some recreational courts, and a road. Following that road down south leads to Gallerian's house; a large white mansionlike place that a lot of us tend to front in, since it's the most modern, and has the most room. If you go north from the cottage instead of south, you'll find the field of flowers I like to hang out in. It's always super calm there, and every time I visit, it seems to be late afternoon/early evening. Outside of the main wonderland area, there are a handful of other areas that are not directly accessible VIA walking, etc. Think, pocket dimensions we were too lazy/didn't want to connect to the main WL area. First is what we call the "Mid-Autumn Domain", which is where we tend to keep headmates who want to be dormant/inactive for a while. It gives us a place to visualize them, so we can remember what they look like, as well as a place they can relax when they eventually want to come back and need some time to get their bearings. After that, there's my house that I share with my family. It's based on a location from the game Genshin Impact, pretty self explanatory. It was easier to visualize since you can actually walk around it in-game. Last, there's Iota and Majorie's apartment. It's got a large, edwardian-style interior and four or so rooms.

10:19 PM

There's more after that, but it's mostly wilderness and random shit we don't visit often, like a small western town on the edge of the "map", or a grey fantasy city we made very far from the "spawn".

That’s fascinating! That’s for sharing

Of course! I love talking about our wonderland, haha

Your description has given me the realization I think I’ve sorta. Had funky little guys in my head I’ve sorta been treating like tulpas without meaning to for years in their own wonderland

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so now I have to figure out what I’m gonna do with that info

Eh, I mean, we have some NPCs

10:33 PM

You can always have guys in the wonderland who aren't sentient, and just act as filler characters to make it more immersive.

I’ve got that

10:33 PM

Fire and Light

We've got a guy who runs a hotel in the western town

10:34 PM

and some generic townspeople in the fantasy city

Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

You can always have guys in the wonderland who aren't sentient, and just act as filler characters to make it more immersive.

True but they’re characters I’ve chatted with for years and have their own lives to some degree.

and I’m expecting there will be more over time. My original plan was to have them create the wonderland.

10:35 PM

I just want to be able to see something that wasn’t all my conscious decision.

10:35 PM

wonderland or not. I want to be able to roam an imaginary place and be able to explore.

Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

I just want to be able to experience my wonderland with the same level of reality as the outerworld,

DM me, I have a book for you

It's getting easier to distinguish our voices, even tho I hear my own voice haha, sometimes it does feel like it's me speaking but I'm starting to notice slight differences, like when she is hyped about something and responds in a louder voice, or when I insult someone in Spanish and she scolds me in English hahaha!

Lucilyn: lol, we have seen specific mention of maybe two tulpas who only speak in their host's native language and not a second language they know, but six plus tulpas who choose to speak in a host's second+ language instead of their first (edited)

1:14 AM

what a strange/silly thing

I guess since I prefer English much more I only speak to her directly in English, my own mind voice changed from Spanish to English long ago even tho I still speak in Spanish to everyone.

1:15 AM

Its just much easier to organise my thoughts in my opinion (edited)

1:18 AM

But yeah I'm quite happy about this, I also checked for parroting the other day by trying to make her say a meme text (Albion online) and she chuckled and said no hahaha, the whole thing was super funny.

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Galli

DM me, I have a book for you

Sure thing, this is our account.

I realize just how strong our visualization skills are.

11:16 PM

Or....well...our ability to imagine different senses. Scent, touch, sound.

11:17 PM

And when we can do all that so well, when we imagine ourselves in our wonderland, it feels....strange...

11:17 PM

Not real enough to be disorienting, but just real enough to feel a little strange.

11:18 PM

I can hear the different layers of sound; how the leaves rustling in the trees sounds closer than the crash of the ocean waves, because, from where I'm sitting in the wonderland, the trees are closer to me.

11:18 PM

And how the sun's warmth is a little stronger than the breeze's warmth.

11:18 PM

And this all comes fairly easily to us, so I wonder how common that is.

nice

11:22 PM

you might google “hyperphantasia”

11:22 PM

and see if that’s how it works for you

The experience of hyperphantasia is more common than aphantasia[3][4] and has been described as being "as vivid as real seeing".

This is kind of true for us. We can imagine how things look, often very well, but there's still a separation of vividness between real and imagined visuals...typically.

Hyperphantasia constitutes all five senses within vivid mental imagery; however, "visual" mental imagery research dominates the literature, and there is a lack of research on the other four senses.

Now this is interesting. I had always assumed it to be a solely visual experience, but the fact it encompasses the other senses is helpful in my definition of my own experience. The other four senses are definitely sometimes easier for us, since they're simpler to understand than the exact appearance of an often complex scene.

People are once again asking me if tulpamancy is cultural appropriation on the witchy sever >:V

11:20 PM

Gamer do ur own research

this is your chance

11:24 PM

People are once again asking me if tulpamancy is cultural appropriation on the witchy sever >:V

@Milk - jump bring up the fact that witchcraft is cultural appropriation

At this point I’m about to. Just to see what they say

bring up the fact that witchcraft is cultural appropriation

Lucilyn: omg lol (edited)

11:25 PM

some people have a talent for troublemaking

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Who votes I should stir the pot cause at this point it’s bugging me

it's bugging ME, do it for my sake!

Lucilyn: tulpamancy isn't appropriating anything except for taking the word "tulpa" that Alexandra David-Neel created as a translation of "sprulpa" which was in her studying's case an obscure sect of Tibetan Buddhism's metaphysical practice of creating sentient mind-creatures that could eventually take physical form (edited)

Dw I’ve explained it multiple times but they keep asking it like they’re trying to get me to flinch or something

Lucilyn: the exact beliefs she learned aren't even findable anymore, normal sprulpa stuff is not really at all like what she was taught (edited)

11:39 PM

tulpamancy is just an internet-founded term for a phenomenon that has always existed in humans, but now is being studied (mostly unprofessionally, but it's a start) in a psychological/scientific context rather than metaphysical/supernatural

11:39 PM

we and many others are examples of systems who stumbled into the phenomenon on accident without any outside influence - because it is just something the human brain is capable of doing

Milk

Who votes I should stir the pot cause at this point it’s bugging me

did you do it?

11:44 PM

do it please!

votes are in: 2:0

I’m about to! I will keep everyone apprised of the fallout (if there is any)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

votes are in: 2:0

No silly! You count for all your headmates and i count for all the lifeforms in me (im a galaxy)!

11:46 PM

its at least octillions:0

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

votes are in: 2:0

3:0 I vote too mwahahaha

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Lucilyn: be prepared to actually make the argument (edited)

~Moonlight~

3:0 I vote too mwahahaha

you count for 2 for speaking spanish!

I don't even know what this is about, I just wanna annoy someone today

it's second hand annoyance though

Even better

you must send screenshots of the next few messages after you send the bomb @Milk

Reisen

Lucilyn: be prepared to actually make the argument (edited)

I am fear not

11:49 PM

Now I feel like there’s going to be no reaction from the server lol

Milk

Now I feel like there’s going to be no reaction from the server lol

just need to repeat it then

11:49 PM

just go ahead

Lol it’s been sent. Now we wait

What precisely did you send?

i was hoping it would be sent for approval to the committee but that's fine

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

i was hoping it would be sent for approval to the committee but that's fine

I was thinking the same

You guys would 100% have said I was being too nice (edited)

Then you should have been less nice

Maybe but I was hoping for some reaction not just an immediate kick/ban (edited)

Milk

You guys would 100% have said I was being too nice (edited)

Exactly why i wanted to read it

I said

11:55 PM

“While I’m thinking of it there are a lot of pretty commonly utilized practices in modern neo paganism that are, for the most part, culturally appropriative or otherwise harmful to particular cultures that (generally) no one bats an eye at. It’s not uncommon for cultural practices to be taken out of context for the sake of the modern neopagan/new age movement. Looking at which ones do and don’t receive pushback might be useful ; )”

11:55 PM

Sneaky wink

Then you should have been less nice

@~Moonlight~ - jump I was thinking the same

I want you to argue like when you argue against US imperialism, blindly and fiercefully

Lucilyn: it's fair to not want to get banned, lol (edited)

“While I’m thinking of it there are a lot of pretty commonly utilized practices in modern neo paganism that are, for the most part, culturally appropriative or otherwise harmful to particular cultures that (generally) no one bats an eye at. It’s not uncommon for cultural practices to be taken out of context for the sake of the modern neopagan/new age movement. Looking at which ones do and don’t receive pushback might be useful ; )”

@Milk - jump ok at which part are you calling them out?

11:56 PM

i can't see it

11:56 PM

add: tl;dr: you are culturally appropriating witches

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

I want you to argue like when you argue against US imperialism, blindly and fiercefully

That’s about how I argue everything

I want you to argue like when you argue against US imperialism, blindly and fiercefully

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump no politics!

We’ll see if/what they say and maybe I’ll have to put it in plain text

Milk

“While I’m thinking of it there are a lot of pretty commonly utilized practices in modern neo paganism that are, for the most part, culturally appropriative or otherwise harmful to particular cultures that (generally) no one bats an eye at. It’s not uncommon for cultural practices to be taken out of context for the sake of the modern neopagan/new age movement. Looking at which ones do and don’t receive pushback might be useful ; )”

Thats not even direct! THEY WONT EVEN UNDERSTAND ;_(

I was trying to be subtle!

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

I want you to argue like when you argue against US imperialism, blindly and fiercefully

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump no politics!

kitkat why are you anti-fun police today?

We’ll see if/what they say and maybe I’ll have to put it in plain text

@Milk - jump just show us the plain text before you send it

11:57 PM

or you will need to send third one

11:57 PM

and that would be a shame

Okay okay

11:57 PM

That’s a plan

kitkat why are you anti-fun police today?

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump as a royal i need to show an example

Lucilyn: if you're gonna make a big thing out of this, move to a chat channel (edited)